Audio Silente parts for the Thorens TD124 + Mk. II

Thorens TD 124 Mk. I + Stax UA3NL

My Thorens TD 124 Mk. I and Mk. II have seen so much action and deserved pampering.

The heavy iron platter created a "dome" on the main bearing end cap of the Mk. I.

Both sides of its original Nylatron thrust pad were dented. So this past weekend I went on eBay and ordered two sets of 6mm bronze end caps that each came with two plastic thrust pads and gaskets, an idler wheel + a few other TD 124 bits from Simone Luchetti of Audio Silente.

Backyard around 11am, 3/7/18

Shipping was swift, the parts were delivered by FedEx from Rome, Italy yesterday morning before the height of the blizzard.

I started work on the main bearing of the Mk. I.

Fit and finish are first rate!

Since the unit was already on the work bench, I cleaned and lubricated the motor also.

Although the original main bearing end cap on the Mk. II was not as dented as the Mk. I, I also replaced it for future generations. 😁

Given the attention to detail Swiss engineers put into the design of the TD 124, that flimsy main bearing end cap was a gross oversight. The finely machined 6mm bronze end cap from Audio Silente definitely adds structural integrity to the main bearing. I also noticed that the platter spins at least twice as long after the motor is shut off = less friction. 

While testing the Audio Silente idler wheel on the bench, I realized that even if the rubber was still supple on my original idler wheels, the bearings were not as silent as the Audio Silente idler, perhaps due to wear. While deciding whether to order another idler wheel from Simone or Oilite bearings from the Spanish guy, we lost power...😞

With about 2 hours left of daylight, I consoled myself by looking at audio porn. 😎

Thorens TD 124 Mk II + Audio Technica AT1501-II

 The idler wheel comes with 3 extra O-rings - 2 red and another black. Because the pre-installed black O-ring already starts faster than my stock idler wheel,  I did not try the red silicon O-ring which is supposed to give an even quicker start.

The Audio Silente idler wheel truly lives up to its company name. I had never been able to bring the performance of my TD 124s to this level of silence.  

Bravo Simone!

Reference

 For maintenance and restoration information, visit The Analog Dept. Thorens TD124 webpage!👍👏 

Conquering RFI in the 2C22/7193

Noisy and unstable 2C22/7193

Moving closer to civilization, this lovely sounding triode used as a voltage gain stage in my SE2A3 mono integrated amp had stability issues due to RFI. 

Since I persist in using these antediluvian devices, I had to find a solution.

A 150 ohm 1/2W CC resistor with the leads cut short soldered in series with the grid cap (insulate with heat shrink tubing) >> shielded cable terminated by an RCA plug (shield connected only at the RCA jack side) >> RCA jack (barrel grounded to chassis) solved the stability issue.

A well behaved 2C22/7193 

Altec 32A, 32C, Emilar EH1210, EH800, EH500 and Faital Pro STH100

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This is a cumulative report on horns I listened to and tested from May 2016 until the end of 2017. All the tests were done through the mono hifi rig using the above Altec 802 compression driver fitted with a GPA 34852 diaphragm + an Altec 414A in a repurposed Altec 861 cabinet running in full-range mode tied together by a 6dB/octave high pass crossover/EQ hinged at 2500 Hz. 

Altec 32A and 32C

Altec 32A (top)
Altec 32C (bottom)

 The Altec 32A (metal) and 32C (plastic with ribs) horns are lineal descendants of the Western Electric 32A horn as found in the WE753 speaker system. I've had the plastic 32C since '09 and lived with the metal 32A for over a year and can say that these are the most sophisticated native 1" horns I've heard and owned to date.

Altec 32A

Altec 32A

Altec 32A + 802 + 414A

Altec 32C

Altec 32C

Altec 32C + 802 + 414A

Metal or plastic? 

It's ironic that the later plastic 32C sounds more vintage than the earlier metal 32A. Definitely, the longer throat of the earlier 32A and the type of material used for construction influence the sound. But in what capacity, I cannot surely define. The iPhone RTA results reinforce the cooler and more modern sound I hear from the metal 32A versus the warmer and sweeter plastic 32C.

The magnitude of difference is not great. Similar to the 20275 vs. 34852 Altec 1" aluminum diaphragms - distinct enough not to be used as a stereo pair but still excellent performers in their own right. However, those who are expecting a front-row presentation may find both these horns too laid back.

Watch out for roughly finished throat edges in the 32A which are detrimental to performance. So far all the plastic 32Cs I've seen have very smooth throats.

Emilar 

As soon as I landed in the US in May 2016, I tried to collect the Emilar horns talked up by Joe Roberts in his war against the devil's trumpets before they became unaffordable. 😉

EH1210

Emilar EH1210

Emilar EH1210 + 802 + 414A

This wasn't recommended by J-Rob but it was cheap enough to try. The EH1210 has the most extended high frequency response according to the iPhone RTA but subjectively it was the least refined sounding horn in this group. I think one can do much better with some modern offerings, see the last entry below. 

Emilar "Bowtie" EH800 and EH500

Emilar EH500 (left) + Emilar "Bowtie" EH800 (right)

WARNING: these two Emilar horns are heavy cast jobs, doing the audiophile knuckle test can result in serious injury! 😃

EH800

Emilar "Bowtie" EH800 

EH800 + 802 + 414A

If you are looking for a modern sounding horn with a more forward presentation but without the shout and distortion of the Altec 811, then this is the horn for you. Exciting sound but guaranteed not to make your ears bleed. 

I think the low end cut-off at 800 Hz spec is a bit optimistic. For maximum satisfaction start around 1200 Hz and work upwards.

EH500

EH500

EH500 + 802 + 414A

This is a native 2" horn with a finely machined 1" - 2" throat adaptor. Once again I find the 500 Hz cut-off an overestimation for a horn of this size. I'd start crossing around 900 Hz and up. 

My ears do not agree with the iPhone RTA. I found this horn to be mellower than the EH800 "Bowtie." The tonal balance of the EH500 is somewhere in between the Altec 32A/B/C and the EH800.

EH500 in Large Format Mode

EH500 sans adaptor + Renkus-Heinz SSD3301

With the JEL N1600 XO in tow, I removed the 1"-2" throat adapter and bolted the 2" exit Renkus-Heinz SSD3301 directly to the horn to sample large format tones. I got juicy mids and smooth highs from this combo.

Late addition:

Faital Pro STH100

Faital Pro STH100

I wanted to sample what can be had off the shelf at Parts Express for under $100 and ordered a pair of these small aluminum tractrix horns by Faital Pro.

STH100 + 802 + 414A*

*RTA was done at a later date in another location,
hence the difference in low frequency response 

With the Altec 414A running full range and the STH100/802 combo crossed at approximately 2500 Hz, I got very clean (if a bit dry) high frequency harmonic augmentation with no nastiness at all. To my ears, this tractrix horn is preferable to the EH1210.

CODA

For the past 4 years, I've been blogging about horns and compression drivers. Justifiably, the horn/driver combo seasons the speaker system's sonic flavor. However, these components only cover the upper three octaves of the audio band (mostly harmonic overtones). I would be remiss if I didn't stress the greater importance of the Altec 12" 414 woofer/midrange because it is tasked to reproduce most, if not all, of the fundamental notes in music from 30 Hz to 4000 Hz. That's seven octaves, practically the frequency range of a piano.  

I've been trying, but so far haven't found alternative 15" or 12" woofers that play the midrange as well as the Altec 414. The good news is, Bill Hanuschak of Great Plains Audio told me last year that they still re-cone 414s and their product page lists an Alnico 414-8B(16B). 

Temporary Hi Fi 2018

Set-up in the living room until I finish renovating the man cave

Altec 2-way XO Redux

This is an update on crossovers I use for the Altec 2-way speakers.

JEL N1600 Crossover

JEL N1600C + HF EQ
optimized for the 802 driver fitted with the original
16 ohm 20275 diaphragm

The above crossover circuit, as discussed in this previous post, was optimized for my cherished pair of green Hammertone Altec 802Ds fitted with the original aluminum 20275 diaphragm, which has an aluminum wound voice coil. To my ears, this diaphragm has a more prominent midrange response which necessitates rolling off the upper midrange/lower high frequencies of the 414A woofer for flatter response.

JEL Universal Altec 2-way XO

For the Altec 802 driver equipped with the 34852 (16 ohm) or 34647 (8 ohm) diaphragms, which have copper wound voice coils, I recommend the 6dB/octave crossover circuit below which is hinged at around 2500 Hz + high frequency EQ boost. This aluminum diaphragm has less energy in the upper midrange giving a tonal balance that sounds more extended in the high frequencies compared to its 20275 predecessor. In this implementation the Altec 414A woofer is connected as a full-range driver inspired by Joe Roberts. 

JEL Universal Altec 2-way XO with HF EQ circuit

Altec 414A + 32A/802/GPA 34852
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JEL Universal Altec 2-way XO

I've also used this crossover successfully with the Altec 802 driver fitted with the Symbiotik diaphragm, Emilar EA/EC175 and Renkus-Heinz SSD1800/1400. Please take note of the different capacitor values for 16 or 8 ohm drivers.

Simplest Crossover

If you want the simplest crossover, my buddy Joe Roberts listens to his Altec 414A/802/32 set-up with the woofer in full-range mode + a 1.5uf paper in oil cap for the compression driver, no L-pad or HF peaking EQ circuit. See his Audiokarma post for more details.