Altec 2-way horn system redux

Truth be told, I was never fully satisfied with the performance of the Altec 2-way which is why I never uploaded the old article in the Arkiv.

Let's recap how the 2-way horn system evolved...

The project was conceived in mid 1998 because I needed a monitor system that was more efficient than the OB/755 so I could listen to SE amps with 2 watts output and below.

I commissioned my cabinet maker neighbor to build 614 bass reflex cabinets and loaded them with Altec 419A 12" drivers + 811 horns (early version/heavy sand cast) and 804A compression drivers gathered from hamfests and radio shows. Crossover was a textbook 1st order/6dB/octave hinged at 900 hz and the horn padded down to match the sensitivity of the low frequency driver.

Altec 614 cabinet plan

Eventually I acquired proper 12" woofers - Altec 414As, which lack the upper midrange nasties of the 419As. The 414As have great midrange quality even if they lack the bass end of their larger 416/515 brethren.

Note damping is applied only
on two sides and the back.

802D compression drivers replaced the smaller magnet 804As

Altec 802D

+ super tweets...

Altec 3000H 

Series crossover

While exploring proper monophonic playback, I discovered the N1600C crossover which came with a single 605B Duplex I acquired. When I inserted it into my Altec 2-way, it sounded significantly better than the textbook parallel 1st order/6dB per octave crossover I had been using.

N1600C clone

Using paper in oil caps and low DCR air core chokes, I cloned the N1600C and thought it was as good as it gets with my Altec components...

ca. 2006

Lessons learned over the past 15 years

1. Choose a woofer with excellent midrange characteristics.
2. In hindsight, the 804A/811 was a much easier combination to tame than the 802D/811. Perhaps this is due to the smaller magnet on the 804A which makes it 3dB less efficient. Note: the 806A is similar in specs to the 804A but some sources say they are built differently.
3. Horns sound better crossed over at least one octave above its rated cut off.  I'd go as high as possible if my woofer can play well into the upper midrange.
4. Don't be afraid to pad down the compression driver which is at least 10dB more efficient than the woofer.
5. Try series type crossovers like the Altec N1600C above or N1500A which have lower insertion loss due to the 1st order/6dB/octave low pass filter. Note: the high pass section =  2nd order 12dB/octave 
6. I only use paper in oil caps in my crossover. 

811>32C

Through the years that I had been attending radio shows and hamfests, I got to know people who opened rare opportunities for me to hear the Western Electric 753C, Western Electric 757A and Altec 1505 horns with Western Electric 555 field coil drivers on top of 825 cabinets loaded with 515s. Most memorable was a single Western Electric 15A horn  + WE555 field coil compression driver driven by a pocket FM radio my buddy Ding and I heard at Scott Stilwell's shop in Philadelphia. The huge horn produced mid bass and rolled off like a 755C or 755E. Thus, "shouty," honky or harsh is not something I associate with good horn speakers.

Altec 32C/802D + Altec 3000
trial ca. 2009

A pair of Altec 32C horns I got in trade back in 2009 had been languishing in my storage bin despite realizing its potential after an initial test run. Given the 32C's pedigree - a direct descendant of the metal Western Electric 32A horn found inside a Western Electric 753C monitor speaker - I had an inkling that it would be better than the 811. But a busy schedule and other life matters got in the way. ;)

Replacing the 811 horns with the 32Cs transformed the 2-way horn system. The 32C/802D blended with the 414A/614 without any crossover alteration. If the 811 projects an in your face/front row seat perspective, the 32C is more like sitting at the middle to back row seat wherein instruments and/or vocals have been given enough time to reverberate in the concert hall. Exactly the kind of sound perspective I prefer!

Despite its polite and refined presentation, the 32C retains the transient speed, dynamic ability and top end extension expected from a horn such that I found the use of 3000H horn super tweeters redundant. In fact extreme high frequencies from 32C/802D sounded airier than the 811/802D + 3000H combo. I have a feeling that most detractors of the 90° bent horn design never heard an original Western Electric 753C, Western Electric 757A or even the more recent Altec 9849 monitor speaker.

Although there's another tweak I am experimenting with at the moment, this horn is here to stay. As Johnny Hartmann sings, "...it's wonderful..."

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Water Pump

I visited a friend the day after Christmas. On the way home the water pump started squealing badly ;(

The radiator and fan had to be removed.

Old pump off - I hosed the water jackets in the engine block and cylinder head until the water became clear. Lots of rust.

New water pump to the left ready for installation.

Done - elapsed time ~ 2.5 hours

Vault Special Issue 2013

Check out JE Labs in the latest issue of Vault Magazine.

Grey L75 + Schick 12"

Happy Holidays!

Altec 32C horn

I've been listening to this horn and liking it A LOT! 

The lineage of this horn can be traced directly to the Western Electric 753 monitor (scroll down).

More later ;)

Hashimoto HC-203U SE output transformer

In the past I have used a pair of H20-14U for the JEL SE10dx monos project and I'm also very familiar with the not quite so Simple 45 fitted with H20-7Us built by Setup 2 for the November Hi-Fi Show head honcho. Today I will report on the entry level SE OPT offering from Hashimoto.

 

Colors in Kanji

Technical and listening tests were conducted using the JEL SE2A3DX circuit.

Scope jockeying the HC-203U

(Primary DCR=150 ohms)

100hz

1khz

10khz

vs.

Tango U808 (Hirata not ISO*)

(Primary DCR = 200 ohms)

100hz

1khz

10khz

*Tango ISO (successor to Tango/Hirata) closed operations in September 2013.

Aside from a 3.71mm difference in lamination thickness and use of flying leads instead of terminals (U808) these two transformers seem to be technical and physical twins. But sonically they're not even distant cousins. The HC-203U is a bold performer and gives a front row presentation. Given its rather small stature, it has bass slam and definition that I associate with transformers twice its size. Vocals are presented in a lifelike manner and there is enough extension in the highs to give a sense of spaciousness and airiness. The Hashimoto HC-203U is what I always wanted the Tango U808 to be.

Fi

30 Watts Street

Soho, NYC

Winter '93

A short-lived (early 90s) Hi-Fi shop located in SoHo NYC owned and operated by Don Garber which featured amplifiers and speakers crafted by himself and other audio artisans like Noriyasu Komuro, jc morrison, Gordon Rankin, Herb Reichert, just to name a few. 

November 2013 Hi-Fi Show

Michael Fremer, NFHS 2013 Guest of Honor

Check out his show coverage in Analog Planet 

Harana/Setup/Tono

Room 446

Harana Audio's 2-way horn system + JBL 2405 super tweeter

Altec 515 woofer loaded in Joey's V-Vent 2 cabinet, Altec 511 horn driven by an 802 compression driver. Harana custom "low loss" crossover. 

JE Labs SE2A3 monoblocks (6SN7GTB > 2A3) built by Joel Villanueva 

Chassis by Harana Audio

JE Labs full function preamp (6SL7s + 6SN7s) in a two tier chassis designed by Harana Audio

Grease bearing 301 in Harana Audio plinth with SME 312S arm and Denon DL103 hooked to a pair of Silk transformers

Harana/Setup/Tono and JE Labs only use AT&S power transformers and chokes from Edrel Sison

DIY Audio Highlights

SE VT25 and SE 2A3 amps by Eric F.

76/6SN7 line stage pramp by Eric F. inspired by JE Labs ;)

Phono stage preamp by Eric F.

2-Way horn system built by Lin and Larry

Scott 710A turntable + Grace G-560S

Turntable and Photom tonearm built by Mandy M.

Tape driven turntable by Mandy M.

Sonus? Nope this is a locally built speaker by Mr. Calara

Another speaker creation by Mr. Calara

Hopefully(?) SE amp friendly speakers from Tannoy

Lin and Joey having a great time

See you all next year!