Wednesday, May 8, 2024

Silbatone Box Adventures


from Western Electric Oscillator July 1947

Whether it's an open baffle as conceived by G.A. Briggs or an enclosed box like the Western Electric utility boxes above, I've always been an advocate for a wide baffle design. The wide frontal area serves as an acoustic reflector that helps propagate sound toward the listener instead of escaping to the sides and back. Somehow the wide baffle, whether open or closed, always makes reproduced music sound more alive to my ears!


A notable exception is the narrow front baffle Silbatone box designed by Dr. Stefano Bae for the Western Electric/Altec 755A. Since I uploaded the cabinet project under the auspices of Joe Roberts, it has garnered a following amongst DIYers who've reported successful results mounting other 8' drivers like the Altec 755C, 755E and the Lafayette SK98/Pioneer PIM8L

I finally got a chance to mount and listen to my 755Cs and PIM8Ls + other 8" wide band drivers. Hopefully, this article will encourage readers to DIY this mini-monitor sized box because it really offers a lot of musical pleasure per cubic inch!

To recap, let's start with the...

Altec 755A

Ever since I started dabbling in DIY audio, I've been enjoying my treasured pair of Altec 755As. Whether it's mounted in an open baffle, 2 cf box and now, the Silbatone box, IMHO and experience, I have yet to find an 8" wide range driver which can equal its midrange sound quality, especially its ability to reproduce vocals with remarkable realism. 

Silbatone box + Altec 755A

FWIW, here's an iPhone RTA of the Altec 755A in the Dr. Bae/Silbatone box.

Although my buddy J-Rob hasn't been writing much these days, I highly recommend his Junkyard Jukebox blog for his musings about the Western Electric/Altec 755A, while good ole Frank does the music making here.

Since I didn't want to risk damaging my irreplaceable Altec 755As by constantly changing them in and out of their Silbatone boxes, I commissioned my friend at Hommage Audio to build another pair. This time, I specified a rough and ready version with extra blank front baffles so I can configure them for other 8" drivers. I had to learn how to cut a recess with my Jasper router jig because I decided to rear mount the drivers.


Altec 755C

 

I have a close affinity to this driver because it made me realize that there's a vast horizon of hifi beyond BBC voiced LS3/5As driven by PP EL84s and EL34s. The 755Cs were my gateway to high sensitivity speakers driven by flea powered SE-DHT amps.

Silbatone box + Altec 755C

In spite of the greater top end specs, to my ears, there is less energy in the higher frequencies and less presence in the midrange compared to its older brother, the 755A. Although I'd agree with the improved bass extension, IME, 40Hz is a bit optimistic in this box, the 2 cf cabinet or the open baffle. The 755C retains much of the 755A character, with a bit less snap and sparkle.

If you don't have a 755A to compare it with, you'll already be impressed. Admittedly, comparing hifi components is a really fun aspect of this hobby. But what's the point of comparing something you can't find and afford vs. something more realistically attainable?

Although the 755C sounds perfectly fine without a super tweeter, the Altec 3000H adds that last bit of ambience and air. Unfortunately, 755C + 3000H doesn't = 755A.😞

Doesn't the IKEA blue Knarrevik look spiffy?πŸ˜‰


Pioneer PIM8L

I discovered this 8" duo-cone at a radio show in Lansing, MI in the 90s in the more deluxe Lafayette SK98 guise, which I deeply regret trading.😞 It can also be found branded as Pioneer PIM8L, PIM20 or Hamlin with either 8 or 16 ohm voice coil. Regardless of what brand it sports, I regard this wide band 8" very highly! 

Silbatone box + Pioneer PIM8L

High frequencies can beam, but on-axis it has more HF energy than the 755C and possesses a similar 3D midrange. Just watch out for rubbing voice coils, damaged/torn suspensions and heed the Pioneer specified 6W maximum rating! 

Unfortunately, both Altecs and the Pioneer are no longer easy to find and when available, are very costly! So what are the alternatives?

The following drivers don't have the gravitas of the Altecs and the Pioneer. But they are easier to find and more affordable. They all offer great musical value for the money, IMHO!


Motorola Golden Voice 8 



This Alnico 8" paper cone driver sounds fast with lots of snap from the bass to the top end with a vibrant midrange. But as I listened further, I became aware of a slight whizzer cone tizz. It projects a very lively and exciting sound, which reminds me of Lowthers!
 
Silbatone box + Motorola Golden Voice 8"

Could the spikes above 2 kHz a manifestation of that tizz? It's not offensive but I just wish it wasn't there.


Electro-Voice Wolverine LS8


The EV Wolverine LS8 is a very smart looking vintage driver. It's very dynamic with a warm and dark-ish tonal balance. Definitely the most laid-back presentation from this trio of whizzies, yet still very engaging.


Many years ago, my friend Ding had a pair of EV SP8Bs mounted in open baffles and those sounded very similar to this LS8.


Beyma 8AG/N


Here's a modern and affordable 8" wide bander that's available from US Speaker Parts. While I was based in Manila, I became good friends with the Beyma importer and distributor and got a chance to play with a few of these drivers.


 The 8AG/N (top left) performed very well in the open baffle and likewise, in the Silbatone. It's a very smooth sounding driver. The tonal balance is similar to the Motorola GV8 without the whizz tizz. 

Silbatone box + Beyma 8AG/N 

However, if I split hairs, the midrange isn't quite as vivid as the Motorola GV8. Could that be an Alnico vs. Ferrite thing? That said, I wholeheartedly recommend this modern 8" wide band driver, which seems to have had some following in Germany but still under the radar stateside.

*UPDATES*

I received this comment on my YouTube channel regarding the Beyma 8AG/N:

Congratulations beautiful video! The Beyma 8 AG N is also recommended in the wonderful book about tubes and full-range loudspeakers "Highly Sensitive" by Dr. GΓΆtz Wilimzig. Unfortunately, Beyma has stopped production, so that only residual stocks are available. Regards Stefan

ElectroVoice 209-8A

Prompted by an inquiry from a reader regarding the EV 209-8A, I realized that I forgot to include it in this survey. Click here for my musings about this driver back in 2017. This model is also discontinued but I've seen NOS units on eBay starting below $15/each.

Silbatone box + EV 209-8A

Its performance in the Silbatone box pretty much mimics how it behaved in the open baffle seven years ago. The midrange is quite vivid. There's no trace of harshness while the top end is rich and airy. However, it's not quite as dynamic or as extended and authoritative in the lower frequencies compared to the other drivers in this group.


Visaton BG20


Since the Beyma 8AG/N has been discontinued, this $40 8" wide range driver from Parts Express is well worth considering. Housed in the Silbatone box, this could be the entry-level ticket to a sensitive and compact speaker system that's easily driven to pretty decent SPLs by a watt or two. Although the midrange doesn't have the realism and organic quality of the Altec 755A/755C/Pioneer PIM8L, it's no less competent in this regard compared to all the others in this survey.

Silbatone box + Visaton BG20

The amount of bass this driver was pumping out of the diminutive Silbatone box was quite surprising. If I had to nitpick, there's a bit of whizzer cone tizz that's only noticeable on brighter recordings. Its slightly recessed midrange gives it a modern and neutral tonal balance.


CODA

In this survey, I focused on midrange and upper frequency musical performance because I realized that 8" wide range drivers which worked well in my G.A. Briggs inspired open baffle, also produced satisfactory bass response in the Silbatone box. Therefore, it's safe to assume that 8" drivers with a Qts value close to 0.7 or greater, are suitable candidates for the Silbatone box. 

Instead of obsessing with T/S parameters, be adventurous, have fun and experiment like my Instagram friend Andrew did below. Anyway being empirical is very much in line with this excerpt from J-Rob's comment in the original Silbatone 755 box article, "... My analysis of this untuned little cabinet is that it falls under the 'small box with a hole in it' design paradigm."

Lii Audio 8" in DIY Silbatone boxes


I highly recommend visiting and following Andrew's IG feed!


Happy tinkering and listening!






10 comments:

  1. I am trying to do something similar in my country, where it is difficult to get any type of altec, however, there was a factory years ago here, Leea, that had some altec licenses, and made this speaker, the 812re 8ohm 8", With 92db sensitivity, 55hz to 15khz response, and the cabinet they recommend has similar measurements to the silbatone, do you think I could give it a try?

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    1. I've outlined the relevant technical parameters above and encourage people to be adventurous and experiment.

      If the driver is cheap, sure. But only you can determine the cost/risk factor.

      As the saying goes, "...nothing ventured, nothing gained."

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  2. Thank you, that will be my next project.

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  3. Public shout-out to JE for encouraging me to try these boxes with a couple of the PIM-6L/SK-98 drivers that have kind of gathered at my house. Auxiliary shout-out to my son who kindly (and excellently) built the boxes for me in Baltic birch. :) The midrange in particular is quite remarkable in quality. ... and, yes, JE, someday I will try the EV LS-8 twincones in 'em, too... so many drivers, so little time.

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  4. I have been obsessing about these boxes for a while, but I don't have any 8 inchers to try yet. Do you think they can be sized up or down to accommodate a 12" or 3-4" full ranger? I have an unused pair of Wharfedale Super 12, and a pair of Realistic Minimus 18 that have a pretty nice full range driver in them.

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    1. I wouldn't recommend messing around with the dimensions because AFAIK, this was an empirical design. See Joe Roberts comment in the main Silbatone 755 box article - https://jelabs.blogspot.com/2019/04/a-visit-to-j-robs-and-silbatone-755a.html

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    2. Thanks! I have read that a number of times. I'm just trying to figure out what to do with some spare drivers I have and I really like the Silbatone design.

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    3. That was me above. I forgot to use my name :)

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