Saturday, April 3, 2021

Lar Retro-resto Shure M65 Phono Preamp


Hamingredient inspired chassis 😉

In the early 2000s, I tried to unload a half dozen or so of my used/test good Telefunken 12AX7s on eBay. The buyer promptly requested for a return claiming that they didn't test well in his TV-7. Was that a sign...? 😉 
So instead of re-listing, I stashed them away. I had forgotten about their existence until they showed up during a 2020 lockdown clean-up spree. 

Shure M65

I met my buddy Lar through Audiomart in the late '80s. He's a trained sound engineer and audio hobbyist who shares my passion for the classic Austin Mini.👍 We hang out and talk shop at ham radio festivals, audio and radio shows. He's firmly committed to tube phono circuits employing active RIAA EQ and posts his projects at Audiokarma and Lenco Heaven.

Shure M65 schematic

The classic Shure M65 "chrome cutie" (as Lar fondly calls them) is one of his favorite platforms for modification. Keen eyes will notice the similarity of this topology to the phono section of the classic Dynaco PAM-1 and PAS-2/3 tube preamps, albeit operated at a lower B+ voltage and with AC heated filaments.

One channel shown

The 0.47uf ceramic disc input coupling caps, C1 and C2 + the 1M shunt resistors, R3 and R4 are discarded. Likewise, the 100k positive feedback resistors (R11 and R12) are eliminated, which I also used to do to my Dyna PAS preamp hacks. IME, this procedure improves transparency. The most significant performance upgrade is Lar's recomputed RIAA EQ capacitor values (see the above schematic) tweaked for flatter response.

I didn't have a Shure M65 but had enough parts to clone one so I could put my rediscovered Tele 12AX7s into good use in the midst of Covid-19 lockdown.


This one chassis configuration sounded fine on first turn on but had an annoying low level hum I couldn't eradicate. 


After trying all possible grounding schemes, I yanked the power transformer out and built an outboard power supply. Problem solved!


My power supply is slightly more sophisticated than the stock M65. The full wave rectified B+ is filtered by a 20H/20mA choke followed by a 47uf/450V cap, which splits to separate left and right channel rails with additional decoupling and filtering. The tube filaments are DC heated. 

1 kHz
stock RIAA EQ

Using the stock RIAA EQ capacitor values, lower frequencies sound bloated with a noticeable treble boost as noted in the Shure M65 literature, which is also visible in the above 1 kHz square wave.

1 kHz
LAR modified RIAA EQ

The 1 kHz square wave is squarer and the phono preamp sounds so much better with Lar's tweaked cap values!

I don't think I was ever able to derive this level of musical satisfaction from any of my past 12AX7 phono efforts using active RIAA EQ. I believe the sonic purity stems from the simplicity of the circuit itself. The Dynaco PAM-1 and PAS-2/3 circuits have an additional cap after the negative feedback RIAA EQ tap + elaborate switching and a balance control in the PAS, all of which can cause veiling. 

In spite of the Shure 5000 ohm output impedance spec, this is still a relatively high output Z device. When connected directly to the 10k ohm input of my Nobsound NS-02g amp, the loss of extension at both frequency extremes was discernible. It sounded best driving a 100k ohm load using low capacitance cables, 3 ft. long, max! 


This phono preamp synergized very well with my favorite magnetic cartridges with conical stylus - Nagaoka MP10, Pickering XV15, Shure M3D and M7D, amongst others. So after a couple of months of enjoying the Lar mod M65, I decided to build it on a nicer (if a bit cramped 😁) cast aluminum box with two pairs of inputs.

Instead of boring you with audiophile adjectives, I'll just say that my RCA passive RIAA EQ octal sounds effortless and airy, while the EAR 834P derived loctal is detailed and dynamic and the Lar retro-resto Shure M65 is sweet and alluring! 


This phono preamp is a most welcome addition to my tools for enjoying LP reproduction. I highly recommend following Lar's phono preamp adventures at Audiokarma! 

Bravo Lar!👏



17 comments:

  1. This looks like a good next project for me!

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    1. You contributed to this project, you just didn't know, until...😊

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  2. Hello, I would love to try and build this. What power transformers would be suitable for the power supply?

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    1. The power transformer specs can be gleaned from the original schematic as well as the version I built. Good luck!

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  3. Done! Sounds great with Eico/Mullards from Fifties. Well balanced, clean and musically. A lot of thanks to you and your friend!
    All the best,
    Boris

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    1. I'm glad you liked it, happy listening!

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  4. Having trouble finding a good 7.5M ohm resistor and 720pf cap, any suggestions/ substitution??

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    1. You can build up resistors to = 7.5M by connecting them in series, ex: 2M x 3 + 1.5M = 7.5M. Same thing with caps but connect them in parallel, ex: 360pF x 2 = 720pF.

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    2. Ok, thanks! What about a volume control, say a 500k pot on the output? Also, love the look of the project boxes, Hammond I assume? Definitely want to use those, probably connect the power via a mil spec Amphenol Bendix 3 pin plug. This work is really inspiring!

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    3. Since this is a NFB type RIAA, the output Z spec'ed @ less than 5000 ohms, I've used it with a 100k load with no perceptible loss of fidelity, but will not go lower than that.

      This chassis looks like a Hammond, but it's a generic from Amazon. They probably originate from the same OEM.

      I've always used a 4 terminal plug = B+/GND/Fil+/Fil-

      Happy soldering!

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  5. Hello!
    I keep listening to this one, it sounds great with my favorite Shure, Elac, Philips, etc. cartridges. But I noticed that on some records with bumps, not all, but some, an infra-low frequency hits the speakers. This can be seen from the movement of the cone. Have you experienced something similar?
    Thanks,
    Boris.

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    1. I never encountered over excursion of woofers even with slightly warped LPs using this phono preamp or other phono preamp circuits I use.

      Your problem might be emanating elsewhere.

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  6. Hello!
    What caps you reccommend as RIA EQ caps?
    Thank you,
    Boris

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    1. I use whatever is in my parts bin - polystyrene or silver mica.

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  7. Do you have any experience with the Shure M66 SUT based phono equalizer ? It was purportedly designed around the Shure M3D cart.

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    1. Sorry I don't. However, that's an interesting device!

      JE

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