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Wednesday, March 9, 2016

1" compression drivers - Emilar, Renkus-Heinz and Beyma

Is there life after Altec?



My first encounter with Emilar and Renkus-Heinz was in a discussion at the Lansing Heritage forum in 2006. Apparently, Jonas Renkus was a principal at both companies in the 70s and 80s. Prior to co-founding these companies, he worked under John Hilliard at Altec Lansing and followed him at Ling Temco Vought (LTV) where they developed a new compression driver with a polyimide suspension aluminum diaphragm. A paper on this research was submitted to the Journal of the Audio Engineering Society in 1966. This association piqued my interest, which triggered my search for affordable Emilar and Renkus-Heinz drivers.


Soon after I arrived in Manila, I became friends with artisanal speaker craftsman Lin Gomez. He is the go to person for Altec, JBL, Jensen, Western Electric or any vintage driver that needs restoration. His company used to be the official Beyma importer. During his closeout sale of Beyma inventory, among those I purchased was a pair of Beyma CP380M.

For the past couple of years, I've been playing with these drivers in the attic mounted either on the Altec 811, RCF H3709 and Altec 32C. But all of my recent critical listening was done through the mono rig driving one side of the Altec 2-way using the following crossover set up.

Crossover


3khz @ 6dB/octave high pass + HF ATT/EQ
for 16 ohm drivers

To keep things simple, critical listening tests were done with the Altec 414A full range and the above crossover was used for the Altec 802D and Beyma CP380M (both 16 ohms) cutting in @ ~ 3000 hz with a 6dB/octave slope.

3khz @ 6dB/octave high-pass + HF ATT/EQ
for 8 ohm drivers

For the 8 ohm compression drivers the above crossover was used and the 414A running full range. The 8 ohm L-pad substituted in place of a 25 or 30 ohm wire wound pot works just as well.

Splitting hairs


For all intents and purposes, these drivers were designed for similar real world applications. Since each manufacturer had their own set of measurement parameters, I deemed the inclusion of driver specifications inconsequential. Anyway, I noted that the minor differences in driver efficiency were well within the shelving range of the attenuator on both crossovers.

My main objective was simply to find out how each compression driver attached to the Altec 32C horn blends with the outstanding midrange performance of the Altec 414A woofer loaded inside the 614 bass reflex cabinet. In an ideal world, the blend should be seamless, with the horn/driver combo just filling in the missing upper frequency harmonic overtones not within the reach of the woofer.

Altec 802D
16 ohm original aluminum diaphragm
Alnico magnet

The 802D has been a musical companion for almost 20 years, so I know it very well. Attached to the 32C horn and playing duets with the 414A, they produce a harmonically rich and luscious midrange along with high frequencies that are silky smooth and extended. To my biased ears, it would be difficult to equal the 32C/802D/414A/614/JELN1600CXO quintet, short of a WE757A ;)

Emilar EC175-8
8 ohm original diaphragm
Ferrite magnet

My first impression of the EC175-8 which lingered all throughout my listening test, was a rich midrange reminiscent of the 802D. Perhaps this was due to its rather subtle presentation of high frequencies which are there, yet not stealing the limelight from the midrange. It's worth noting that this driver has a similar long throat design as the 802D. 

Renkus-Heinz SSD 1800-8
8 ohm original diaphragm
Ferrite magnet

The SSD 1800-8 + 414A was also a coherent combination. But the tonal balance was the antithesis of the EC175-8. The midrange sounded a bit leaner due to more prominent high frequencies. This driver has a short throat/pancake design like the 902-8B below. I wonder if the short throat configuration tends to enhance high frequencies?


Caveat: Based on my internet research, there are no original replacement diaphragms currently manufactured for Renkus-Heinz drivers.

Altec 902-8B
8 ohm original diaphragm
Ferrite magnet

To make things more interesting I borrowed a pair of Altec 902-8B cherished by my buddy Joel. The sound of this driver is similar to the 802D with the midrange not quite as lush but still vivid and involving. Since it had the best high frequency extension and transient response, the sound was invigorating. 

Top left: Beyma 8 AG/N 8" fullrange
Top right: Beyma SM115 15" woofer
Bottom left: Beyma CP380M
Bottom right: OB experiment ca. '09

In early 2009 I experimented with the CP380M + 32C coupled to the 15" Beyma SM115 woofer in an open baffle. I was actually quite impressed by the potential of this combination which was the reason I bought them.

Beyma CP380M
16 ohm polyester diaphragm
Ferrite magnet

However, in the context of this survey, the CP380M did not fare as well as the other drivers. Although the sound was quite pleasant with good high frequency extension, I was constantly aware of a transition between the 414A and the horn. Perhaps it was really voiced for a Beyma woofer?

Coda


The Emilar EC175-8 and Renkus-Heinz SSD 1800-8 have their virtues and omissions. If their virtues were combined, then we have a true Altec alternative. Yet despite their minor flaws, mounted on the Altec 32B horn, both easily coalesced with the Altec 414A woofer which corroborated their genetic heritage. If I didn't have the 802D, I could have easily lived with either the EC175-8 or SSD 1800-8 with a slight preference for the EC175-8 just because I'm a midrange hedonist;) 

With regards to the Altec 802D vs. Altec 902-8B, it boils down to a matter of taste as well as availability and affordability. As for the Beyma, when time permits, I will rehash the OB/SM115 + CP380M/horn experiment and post my findings;)

Happy listening!

Saturday, February 6, 2016

Altec 32C horn redux

Three years ago I replaced the Altec 811 horns with Altec 32C horns in my 2-way speaker system. I think I now have an unscientific explanation as to why I've been enjoying the Altec 32C.

Upper Left: Altec 32C, Upper Right: RCF H3709
Bottom: Altec 811

Somewhere along the way I acquired a pair of RCF H3709 horns. I was rooting for these horns because they resemble the Altec 32C but with a straight throat. The RCF H3709 to a much lesser degree, still exhibited some congestion and harshness I found objectionable in the Altec 811 in near field listening. Perhaps a judicious amount of damping applied to the thin walls of the RCF H3709 will significantly improve its performance. 

Top: Altec 811
Middle: RCF H3709
Bottom: Altec 32B/C

Based on the throat comparison picture above, I attribute the sonic superiority of the Altec 32C in my listening environment to its unconstricted and constant flare throat. But that's just my empirical observation ;)

Additional Information


Here's a quote from a post by Steve Schell at the Altec Lansing Forum

"...the initial throat portion of the H811b appears to have been designed to narrow the directivity of the high frequencies to partially equalize the on axis response. This is not a great solution for the falling power response of a compression driver, as the on axis response and reverberant field will vary greatly in high frequency content, which our brains interpret as unnatural. I would be tempted to model a horn similar to the 811 where the major flare portion maintains itself back to the driver aperture. The horizontal axis should (as designed) maintain the driver's power response to the limits of the straight horn walls, the driver's falling power response being EQed in the crossover, resulting in a more natural listening result. Just a thought, anyway."

Joe Roberts had nice things to say about the Altec 32A/B/C at the High Efficiency Speaker Asylum and Audiokarma.



Monday, May 16, 2016

Altec 605B experiments



Hot on the trail from the 1" compression driver survey, I set forth to re-evaluate my open baffle mounted Altec 605B. This Duplex system is essentially an Altec 416A woofer + Altec 806A compression driver with an integral short horn. I wanted to address a mild honk and try to squeeze out more "air" in the top end from the horn/driver combo.

605B as a 416A woofer


Since my modus operandi has always been to listen carefully to each component as a separate entity, I disconnected the compression driver from the N1600C crossover and listened to the woofer rolling off at about 1100 hz as well as bypassing the crossover, in full range mode. 


After several days of listening with and without the crossover, I realized that the "honk" actually emanated from the woofer. Perhaps this was due to the typical midrange impedance rise in a woofer exacerbated in an open baffle by the lack of a true enclosure? So I winged and auditioned a few Zobel EQ values and ended up with 10 ohms + 11uf in parallel with the woofer terminals as the "best compromise." This circuit cost a couple of dB in efficiency but did not significantly affect dynamics while minimizing the honk. 

Towel damping

Not scientific, but hanging a towel behind the driver focused the sound a bit further ;)


+ Altec 32C horn



For kicks, I did another round of listening with the 605B acting as a woofer coupled to the Altec 32C horn using the same drivers (except the Beyma) and crossover options discussed in the previous survey. But unlike the 12" Altec 414A which has a smooth roll off characteristic, the 605B woofer had to be configured as outlined above. In this configuration, the woofer blended nicely with all four drivers. In fact the 605B woofer section + 32C/802D horn combo had a similar midrange tonal balance to the Altec 2-way. Could that be a 32C horn coloration? ;)

Altec 16 ohm diaphragms


The Altec 605B was factory fitted with the aluminum voice coil 20275 diaphragm. By the time I acquired it, the diaphragm has been replaced with the newer 34852 with a copper voice coil. I've swapped the 34852 and the 20275 (from my 802D) in and out of the 605B and always preferred the midrange oriented 20275 over the more extended high frequencies from the 34852. Thus, to my ears the 34852 and 20275 cannot be used as a stereo pair. Alas, NOS 20275s are very scarce but fortunately GPA is reproducing original 34852 diaphragms. Just to make sure my 34852 is an original Altec item I posted a query at the Altec Users' Board.

34852 vs. 20275

Having confirmed that my 34852 was genuine, I compared the JEL/N1600C XO to the stock N1600C in search of more sparkle and air from the 806A. The JEL/N1600C with EQ circuit did augment the top end a bit, but not to the same degree achieved by the other drivers with more powerful magnets used in the 32B horn experiment above. With or without the Zobel network, I found too much depression in the midrange of the 605B. This was most notable in the vocal range but not as audible with instrumental music. Switching to the 20275 diaphragm improved the midrange a smidgen but I was still not fully convinced that using the JEL/N1600C XO was the proper course.

Coda


Altec N1600C + Zobel EQ

For now I'll continue using the Altec 605B with the N1600C crossover with Zobel EQ + a sparkler...

Sparkler = Altec 3000H

Friday, November 15, 2024

Intact Audio Speaker Autoformer + Lycan3R WP12024 Horn


I ordered the Intact Audio speaker autoformer with a -6dB to -15.5 dB/0.5dB attenuation range based on the fact that my Altec 802 drivers are about 12dB more sensitive than my 99 dB/1W/1M Altec 414A woofers. Other than that, I went into this project hoping that Google would be my friend, only to find out it wasn't!😉

Since I use external crossovers for my Altec 753C, disconnecting (and reconnecting for comparison purposes) the Altec 32C/802 horn/compression driver is a breeze. The 753C-style cabinets essentially serve as bass bins in which the 414A woofers operating in wide range mode (unfiltered) + the 20275 diaphragmed 802 compression drivers mounted on the Lycan3R WP12024 horns are perched on top!

Saturday, May 2, 2020

JE Labs Man Cave 2020



CV21mm f4

The JE Labs man cave was originally planned as an annual feature. But due to a flood mitigation procedure in the fall of 2019, I blogged about the near-field system instead. 

Fortunately, a new drywall was installed and painted by the tail end of winter. I was at the final stage of arranging my library, cameras, LPs and miscellaneous items when lockdown commenced.  

Typically, I'd be on photo explorations in my spare time during spring. But due to the pandemic, I'm trying to be a responsible citizen practicing social distancing. Since I'm confined indoors, here's a virtual tour of the man cave viewed through my Leitz and Cosina-Voigtlander lenses mounted on a Sony A7II camera.

Leitz Summicron 35mm f2 V1


Main System









Antenna: Winegard HD6010 mounted in the garage attic

CV28mm f1.9

Preamp: JEL Octal + 76 


Speakers: Altec 753C, an homage to the Western Electric WE753C and the definitive evolution of my Altec 2-way project

Cables:  DIY Mogami/Neglex 2534 for phono, Kimber KCAG and DIY PBJ, KS24194/Telco Flex III 14 AWG speaker cable 

CV21mm f4

LPs + audio equipment and miscellaneous

CV21mm f4
 
Cameras + Library

CV21mm f4


Workshop

Leitz Summicron 35mm f2 V1


Workbench

SE10 mono integrated amp (under construction)

Test equipment: Hitachi V650F 60 MHz dual channel scope, Kenwood AG-203 sine/square wave oscillator, Fluke 87 and Triplett 9045 True RMS DVMs, Proster LCR meter, Weller WTCPS soldering station and a General Radio W5MT3A Variac



Summicron 50mm f2 Rigid

Near-field System


Turntables: Thorens TD124 and Mk II, Sony TTS 2500, Shield MO-19 and Rek O Kut B12GH

Tonearms: SME 3012Audio Technica AT1501 Mk II, Denon DA305Fidelity Research FR64fx, FR24 FR54, Grace G565 and G540LStax UA3NLSyntec S220

MM Phono Cartridges: Audio Technica AT110E, Nagaoka MP10, MP11, Pickering 380V15 DAT2V15 Phase IV and XV15Shure M3D, M7D, M44G, SC39B 

Digital Sources: Raspberry Pi 3b+/Volumio + Musical Fidelity V-Link, JVC XL-Z411 CD transport, Magnavox CDB465

DAC: NOS'ed Arcam Delta Black Box or tube buffered NOS TDA1543 

Line TransformerUTC A20

Preamp: JEL Loctal or Realistic 32-1100A mixer + 42-2109 phono 

Amps:  JEL SE300B mono blocksRadiotron SE2A3,  Nobsound NS-02g/JLH 1969 Class A


Speakers: Altec 755A in Dr. Bae/Silbatone Cabs or Altec 755C in 618 Cabs



Headphones


Koss Porta-Pro, Grado SR80 or AKG K72 driven by the Darling amp, JE Labs Style


Mono Hi-Fi 


Turntable: Gates CB77 + Gray 108B + GE RPX or Neat P58H + Calrad SV16 or Velvet Touch + DL102 or GE RPX

Digital Sources: Raspberry Pi 3b/Volumio and JVC XL-Z444 CD Player

DAC: Audio GD R2R-11

Tuner: Sansui T-60 or Sherwood S-3000 II

Amp: JEL mono integrated SE2A3 + Altec 15356 stereo to mono mixer  

Speaker: Altec 756B + Altec 32B + Altec 802 

CV21mm f4


Stay Safe and Happy Listening!







Friday, February 15, 2019

Altec 32 Horn Nomenclature

This Altec 32 horn update was prompted by this must read article from Electravolt tracing how the Altec 32 horn evolved from the Western Electric 32A.

Altec 32A

Cast aluminum + longer throat


Altec 32B

Plastic + shorter throat
pics borrowed from sound-impression


Probably a very short run, rarely seen in the market
Note: no ribs


Altec 32C

Same as 32B but with re-enforcing ribs

Note: re-enforcing ribs