The WE756A is the middle child in the Western Electric series of wide range drivers introduced in the late 40s.
I've seen and heard a couple of WE/Altec 728Bs + a dozen or so pairs of 755As, but I've never heard a WE756A and have only seen one in the metal at a radio show many years ago. Although still quite scarce, its Altec 756B brother isn't quite as elusive.
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| Back: Blonde + Mahogany Altec Melodist 700A Front L-R : WE728B, Altec 755A/pr. + Altec 756B |
The few Altec 756Bs I've encountered all came out of the Altec Melodist 700A. It's a compact bass reflex speaker system loaded with the 756B, supplemented on top by a 3000A horn tweeter via an N3000B crossover. The 700A belonged to the Melodist monaural hifi system line, which Altec targeted at apartment dwellers in big cities of midcentury America.
Subsequently, the 756B was replaced by an 8" Altec 401A and was re-designated as the Melodist 700B. With the introduction of stereo for the mainstream market in 1958, the Altec Melodist line quietly faded into oblivion.
If found in good condition, the Altec Melodist 700A is a fine looking midcentury modern artifact! Unfortunately, the < 1.5 cf ported box doesn't allow the 756B to shine sonically, IMHO. Since it shares similar proportions to its more successful contemporaries like the Acoustic Research AR-1 and the Jensen Duette, the cabinet design may have been dictated by market positioning rather than sound engineering.
My once-in-a-lifetime lucky find 700A above has lived a hard life. The lower front edge of the cabinet was missing while the sweet and airy but very fragile 3000A horn tweeter element had been replaced by a tiny ferrite magnet dome tweeter.😏 A "mod" that has been circulating in the internet, so watch out.
Fortunately, the 756B is very well preserved. If memory serves me right, the WE756A frame is more substantial than the Altec 756B. That’s probably the reason why the back handles were omitted in the Altec. The 756B has an 8 ohm voice coil, while the WE756A is 4 ohms.
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| J-Rob's Altec 756B at Capital Audio Fest 2016 |
Joe Roberts has already done a great job of describing the sonic qualities and proper implementation of the Altec 756B in his (Geekstar) "My big ten inch --Altec 756B" post at the Altec User's Board. He also gave insight on the shifting Asian market for vintage Western Electric and Altec gear. A guaranteed fun and informative read!
Since I don't have Joe's networking skills, I resigned myself to the reality that my Altec 756B will be the main speaker of my monophonic hi-fi set up, just as Altec intended.
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| Click for a videoclip |
Meanwhile, I repurposed (sealed) a Heathkit AS10 (almost 2 cf) cabinet to familiarize myself with the 756B. I listened to it as a wide range driver with and without top end assistance from either a 32A/802/34852 + an XO based on this schematic or 3000H with an L-Pad + 0.5 uf - 1 uf paper in oil cap. The simplest XO I used was a 0.22uf paper in oil cap in series with the + terminal of the 3000H, no L-pad needed. That also sounded good, albeit, with slightly less sparkle.
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| JE Labs mini 757 inspired by the Western Electric 757A |
After extensive listening in wide range mode, I determined that a mono hifi set up will benefit from a wider baffle + the dispersion pattern of the Western Electric-derived 32 horn. So I sketched a slant front ~ 2.5 cf infinite baffle that has a provision for an Altec 32C horn + 802 driver and sent it to John Piro of Hommage Audio.
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| 728B vs. 756B |
As expected, the 756B is more extended at the top end than the 728B with almost, but not quite, equal bass extension. However, music through the 728B held my attention appreciably longer without my reaching for a clip-lead to fill in the top octaves with the 32/802 horn/driver for more harmonic overtones above 5 kHz.
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| RTA = Altec 756B in a ~ 2.5 cf infinite baffle |
I confirmed this during one of my shop talks with J-Rob, who also found it more rewarding to listen to 728Bs in wide range mode than to his 756Bs. It makes me wonder if the 756B and its WE756A brother were designed with a middle-child syndrome gene in their sonic DNA.🤔
After many years of collecting Altec 1" compression drivers, I've only landed a single Altec 23744 "light" aluminum diaphragm, which was fitted to an 806 motor that was used in the Altec 9849 monitor speaker.
Things started to crystalize when my friend Dave V. aka Salectric,🙏 sent me his spare .085 mH choke. It was a proprietary part found in the EQ circuit of the Altec 9849 crossover, which is an 8 ohm speaker system. This EQ circuit shapes and boosts the response of the 32/806 horn/driver combo. Incidentally, Dave's "Last PAS" articles written for The Audio Amateur contributed to my 80s Dynaco hacking activities.
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| RTA = Altec 32C + 806 + 23744 |
The 4 uf paper in oil capacitor serves as a first order high pass filter hinged around 5 kHz with a gentle 6dB/octave slope, while the variable 8 ohm L-pad shapes and controls upper frequency overtones to taste.
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| inside the mini 757 |
John P did a great job of building a very rigid cabinet, which saved me the time and trouble of having to experiment with damping. I just lined the interior panels with Kimpak and I was ready to listen.
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| RTA = JE Labs mini 757 |
This project transpired as an opportune moment to assemble all the singleton Altecs from my collection - 756B + 32C + 806 + 23744 - into a formidable monaural hifi speaker system.😊
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| JE Labs mini 757 |
My ears hear close to half an octave of bass extension from the mini 757 compared to the 755A in a Silbatone or 618 cabinet. Due to its greater efficiency, it plays louder while dynamics at micro and macro levels are less compressed. The larger cone area of the 756B + wide baffle + 90° horizontal x 60° vertical dispersion of the 32C horn, portray a bigger sense of scale. All of these were achieved without compromising the midrange realism I enjoy from my beloved 755A.
However, the Altec 753C is perceptibly more efficient, offers at least an octave lower of extension with more authority. It also produces higher SPLs.
Alas, we can't defy the physics of sound...
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| JE Labs monophonic hifi |
...so I focused on the aesthetics by spicing it up with a touch of Charles Eames and Dieter Rams! 😉
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ReplyDeleteThanks mrh! :)
DeleteSo good in so many ways... and that cabinet is perfection! Beautiful work.
ReplyDeleteThanks Nate!
DeleteNice implementation JE! You should try listening to those low down to the ground since the 32A has a ~30 deg uptilt in the HF beam if mounted orthagonal to the floor and the slant front cab will further accentuate that skew.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I feel as though I didn't give the Altec 756B enough attention. It seemed to lack the insane 3-D presence of the 755A and the uber-realistic hall sound of the 728B but it did exhibit a lot of pop on lower toned percussion and a nice richly textured midrange on Hammond organ and the like.
I never liked putting tweeters on these 700 series WE drivers but maybe that's what the 756Bs need. Each of this family of drivers seems to be it's own thing and I don't think the 10" has been sufficiently explored, in part because they are so scarce.
Yes, I've been listening with the 32C horn situated even lower compared to the Altec 753C stereo pair. The 32C/802 horn/driver combo adds "snap", while the wider dispersion + wide baffle help fill the room with sound!
DeleteThanks for dropping by. It's always an honor and pleasure! :)
Joe I have 756b in the box you’ve designed with a 32c &an 808-8b. I have a couple of questions for you. Without the back on the box the756b sounds great and way better than when the box is closed. I thinking the compliance of the surround is really stiff. I seems to loosen up with use but it’s really temperamental and inconsistent. Not sure how to proceed any suggestions? What’s your experience with the 808-8b? Is it worth chasing down a 802? I pulled together the best approximation I could with parts on hand to do your cross/filter for the horn it seems okay but not really exciting. I running it with my all set setup a 401/rmg309arm/dl103soundsmithsaffire. An 801 set preamp, 2magnequest inputs for stereo to mono and a stereo ccs6bm8/45 parallel feed set, one side for the horn and one for the 756b. So it’s a pretty good setup. And should yield something special but gotta work out the kinks.
ReplyDeleteBest wishes david
1. Suspension travel is relative, compared to modern drivers, classic WE/Altec wide range drivers have much less movement. However, the 756B is only rated @ 20W MAX! Is it possible that it was overdriven at some point in its long life? If so, that can partially (or totally) freeze the voice coil and limit suspension travel.
Delete2. Western Electric and Altec have been reliably consistent with their specs and box recommendations. The Silbatone 755A box being a notable exception. That said, I definitely get more bass from my 756B in the sealed box configuration.
3, AFAIK, the only difference between the 808 and 802 is the diaphragm. Your unit was originally fitted at the factory with a Symbiotik diaphragm. To my ears the Symbiotik sound good, albeit, less extended in the top end compared to the aluminum diaphragm found in the 802. For more info - https://jelabs.blogspot.com/2017/03/altec-small-format-diaphragms-aluminum.html
4. The crossover above cannot be replicated unless you have the 0.085 mH choke from the crossover of an Altec 9849 monitor (for more info about that XO, the text in the blog entry is hyperlinked), which is a proprietary Altec part. This crossover might be more appropriate for your application - https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-l2jS8p-O5Cg/WKyAd5dcm7I/AAAAAAAAEx8/CrqYe3vWGCIdH8HE9qUjsAa6Nr4e2BPnACPcBGAYYCw/s1600/XO.jpg
5. I love the 45 triode, but I wouldn't use my SE45 amp if I want maximum bass extension from any of my (efficient) speakers. I also have no first hand experience with para-feed.
Except for your G401/RM309, I'm unfamiliar with the rest of your components. These suggestions are the best I could do to help. Good luck!
Hi JE, I'm really loving the Dieter Rams vibe of your Mini 757. Do you think it could work with a 414z and a 811B/806A, without a slant front, and with more of a true square proportion? I'm just starting out on this journey, so I don't know what crossover I would need—I assume something like an N-800F, but I know you're a proponent of starting out small and listening to changes in tonality as you add resistors/caps and other components. Cheers! JM (BassKulcha on AK)
ReplyDeleteThe 414A needs a bigger enclosure. IME, the Altec 614 3.5cf bass reflex box works great with it. You can find the cabinet plan here - https://jelabs.blogspot.com/2014/01/altec-2-way-horn-system-redux.html - perhaps you can use them mounted horizontally on higher stands.
DeleteHowever, in that same link I discussed in detail how I almost gave up on the Altec 2-way project because of the 811 horn which I tried so hard to like and work but ultimately it's a highly compromised design. My 811s were the early and rare heavy sand cast version. Please read that article carefully before embarking on your Altec horn project + this - https://jelabs.blogspot.com/2016/02/altec-32b-horn-redux.html
Here are some horns to consider - https://jelabs.blogspot.com/2018/02/altec-32a-32b-emilar-eh1210-eh800-eh500.html
I'm currently working on an article about a pair of sand cast Lycan3R WP12024s that I also like very much. Here's the link to the 3D printed version - https://jelabs.blogspot.com/2023/12/3d-printed-wp12024-horn-from-lycan-r.html
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